Is Online Poker Rigged?

Sunday, April 30, 2006

I was in the middle of writing a blog post, explaining why online poker isn't rigged and a few reasons to support that view.

It was pretty long....

Then I thought - I shouldn't have to do this. Why am I wasting my time on the weekend to prove something to people that are obviously idiots? If you think online poker is rigged, then why are you playing? You're an idiot that's why...

Anything I say is not going to be seen objectively anyway as I work for Poker.com.

So all I have to say is - If you think Online Poker is rigged - then you are an ignorant fool. Do some research, look at all the factors involved, then make an educated decision for yourself. Don't sell yourself short - learn something about the business so you can make your own decisions that are based on fact, rather than emotion.

And if you still think it is rigged - then simply don't play. Leave the fun for the rest of us, and go and abuse your local casino poker dealer when you get beaten on the river. Yes it happens there too you know.....

I'm going to go play a Sit & Go - have a good Sunday everyone.

Kris @ Poker.com


Posted at 1:15 AM Permalink | Talk on the Poker Forum

24 Comments:

  • Online Poker is most definatly not rigged and the only people who think so are horrible players who bust out hundreds at a time.

    By Blogger xKylex, at 9:58 AM  

  • I can only imagine how many claims you'd get citing "how rigged" online poker is if you allowed comments or remarks on deposit transactions.

    It seems like the most complaints about poker online being rigged come when peeps are reloading (if its rigged, they're obviously claiming more specifically its rigged against them, so they're depositing why)?

    The most "rigged" looking hand I've ever seen came as follows (note I was not in the hand):

    $1/2 no limit
    Preflop

    UTG limps, mid position also limps, button raises to 4x blinds, UTG reraise to 10x blinds, to which the button calls.

    Flop comes AQQ. UTG bets out 1/2 pot, button calls cleanly. Turn brings an ace. UTG checks it, button pushes allin, to which UTG sets the world record, putting in the fastest call in the history of calling allins.

    Button proudly turns over quad queens, only to have his heart and bankroll busted up, running into AA. Quads over quads... sound rigged? Tell that to the live dealer, as this happened in a b&m cardroom, not online.

    Bottom line, no matter how bad the beat seems, if you know in advance what the other player has, to the point he shows you his/her cards, more often than not, I'd welcome them calling. If they draw on me, they got lucky. Let's do it again, and again and again. I'll take my aces against the king-ten any day of the week. They won't hold every time, but that's ok with me. I want weaker hands calling me. When they draw on me (and yes, it does happen, peeps draw on ya), its not because poker, or online poker is "rigged," its because drawing is part of the game. Nuff said.

    Mike

    By Blogger imjusthere4thebeer, at 10:26 AM  

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    By Blogger starkstatic, at 11:35 AM  

  • I have just posted a write up with regard to this Kris.

    It was from an email i recieved.. It should or may help these naysayers see that online poker is not rigged..

    Hope it helps

    here is the link and the post in reference is BAD BEATS.
    http://kiwiwiz.blogspot.com/

    By Blogger Kiwi, at 6:57 PM  

  • you tell'um kris...i myself am gettin tired of folks that whine bout this same thing . oh ...they win and there the next Dolye Brunson , but when they lose their money for something as stupid as chasing or playing over their bankroll , it just gripes the fool right outta me . same thing bout bj...if ya don't like , then quit it ..is what i say...
    skinski

    By Anonymous skinski, at 8:34 PM  

  • Nicely told… I agree 100% and the people that do get shafted on the river don't remember they just beat someone with a river card just an hour ago

    By Blogger Xtreme_Player, at 11:19 PM  

  • can't moore then agree if it's rigged , then how can they be so stupied that they keep playing.

    Well the last idiot isn't born yet.

    By Blogger Neo Bahamut, at 10:59 PM  

  • i play online poker a lot, mostly tournaments... and i tend to believe IT IS rigged - not to favor a friend or a relative of someone who works for the poker site but simply for : faster play...more plays mean more profit for the site... at least 8 out of 10 times a higher stack player would win in an all-in situation regardless of the hand... BUT I admit I still play in max 5$ buy-ins, only because it's cheap fun...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:08 PM  

  • Why are the idiots always anonymous?

    By Blogger Poker.com, at 8:40 PM  

  • I think a better explanation why poker sites are not designed for "faster play" is better than attacking someone who just happened to have a different view. I don't especially expect to hear a comment like this from someone who works from the site. And by the way, i'm not talking about any site in particular, but i think this is generally true to all the site. Let's leave out my being anonymous as an issue here, you can do better with your comments.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:29 AM  

  • No - you're an idiot....

    Because of this statement - "at least 8 out of 10 times a higher stack player would win in an all-in situation regardless of the hand..."

    And then you contradict yourself in your second comment. The first one says that it is too fast, the second one says it is 'not designed for faster play'.

    Yours is not a different view - it is a totally incorrect and un-informed perspective. There is a big difference between matters of opinion and facts.

    Learn the facts. And use your name.

    Kris

    By Blogger Poker.com, at 7:24 PM  

  • Which part I contradict my statement ? O well this is pointless - still you have not given any explanation why you claimed poker sites are not designed for "faster play", like what I have observed. And I'll probably won't get any good explanation. But that's alright - can't blame you if you really can't offer one. Still, you chose to attack me rather than site facts that it is not rigged. Know what, I was really hoping to hear convincing facts from you but all I got was insult. Thanks anyway, and I apologize if I offended you with this.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:43 PM  

  • If you want an explanation, ask a question - do not make blanket statements about things you obviously know nothing about. That is the whole point of my post - people making totally incorrect comments and stating them as facts. Do some research, ask some questions.

    I'm not attacking you, I am attacking your shallow and ignorant approach to this topic.

    Ask a question and you'll get an answer.

    By Blogger Poker.com, at 10:08 PM  

  • This blog is rigged. I agree 100% with anonymous regarding Poker Stars being canned code to favor high stacks, particularly in tournament play and at final tables. I've seen it, I beieve it, I'm not the only one. I don't know why they do this, but I know they do. I noticed this long before reading about it by others. If you have AA and 500 chips and go all in, and your opponent has 7000 chips and calls you on the pre flop with JQ- you WILL lose that hand, evrytime, on any Poker Stars Tournament.

    Also, everyone posting here is anonymous--

    By Anonymous mud, at 2:22 PM  

  • Only losers who have no idea what they are doing think online poker is rigged.

    It takes all types to make the world go around, but there sure are some clueless fools out there, like the poster above.

    By Anonymous Steve, at 2:34 PM  

  • Onlu suckers and idiots would consider playing online poker. Online poker is obviously rigged. You are playing against a stacked deck and a nest of bots programmed to steal your money when you enter an online poker room. You are totaly unprotected.There is no governing body to protect you from cheat code. The FTC does not regulate online poker. They can rob you blind, laugh in your face, and there is no law enforcement agency or court on this earth that will even hear your complaint.

    And those are the REAL FACTS about this business. It is organized crime.

    LOL, if you think otherwise, YOU ARE THE IDIOT.

    By Anonymous mud, at 2:43 PM  

  • The more I think about it, the more intuitivelyobvious it becomes. The same FOOLS that play online poker are the same FOOLS that send their banking information to strangers in Nigeria or the Ukrain. I mean, you'd have to be a SUCKER to fall for this OBVIOUS SCAM.

    I don't think anyone onthe Bush dministration or Homeland Security cares. At least they aren't going to care about the retiree's and dumb kids who get sucked into this. As long as Costa Nostra and the Russian Mob stick to their appointed habitat, which is Online Poker, and don't mess with anything that matters, like Wall Street or Corporate boardrooms- it's all good- since this is a government of disempowerment, such preditary operations work in their favor anyway.

    Viva the Mob says Big Brother. Serves all the contemptuous little shits just right! Let these little greedy guys with big ideas get burned by the mobsters, keeps the mobsters away from our stuff and teaches the nuisances a lesson.

    Two friggin birds, one friggin stone.

    Only suckers and losers gamble online.

    Rigged!

    By Anonymous mud, at 3:08 PM  

  • THIS IS THE DUMBEST BLOG ON THE INTERNET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU AGREE OR A DISAGREE THAT ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED> THE WRITER IS OBVIOUSLY AN IDIOT!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:58 PM  

  • Three posts in a row saying the same thing from the same person? Get a life please...

    Sorry but you are wrong and are ignorant. If you play at the sites listed on Poker.com you have a 100% guarantee they are not rigged and the results are fair.

    It sounds to me like you are not a very good poker player, don't have a good understanding of mathematical probability and look for things other than your own actions & shortcomings when attributing reasons to failure - typical traits of an unsuccessful person.

    Good luck with life and please refrain from posting any more of your brainless tripe here.

    Poker.com

    By Blogger Poker.com, at 10:50 AM  

  • OK THEN ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED>DOES THIS CHANGE THE FACT THAT THIS BLOG WAS WRITTEN BY A MORON WITH NO WRITING SKILLS AND WHO IS UNABLE TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE TO MAKE HIS CASE? OBVIOUSLY NOT< CONGRADULATIONS ON THE DUMBEST BLOG ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET!

    By Anonymous Your Blog Was Written By A 6 year old, at 12:23 PM  

  • When you hear both sides of this argument, there is only one truth that really stands out no matter what side of the fence you sit. Would you like to know what that is?

    I,ll tell you, the anti rig side are always without exeption the side that throws the insults around, calling people idiots and a lot worse names. Why cant you lot put your views across without the insults. Do you actually have something to protect? ou sure act like you do.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:44 AM  

  • online poker is clearly fixed, it is designed to get games over as quick as possible, get more games started, and therefore making it more profitable for the site. FACT.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:52 PM  

  • I agree that many people who believe that online poker is rigged believe it (mostly) because they were outdrawn- in many cases muliple times. Fact is, that happens. The one thing that online poker sites can't govern is the fingers on the mouse of the incorrect call.

    That said, I actually believe online poker is rigged for quite a few reasons.

    Try sending money (in the U.S.) to any site by a method other than credit card. You'll run into more red tape (such as send money to this country once, to another next time, etc. etc; but never send money to the same place twice....) than you could imagine. If it were legit- why is it so complicated?

    Look at some of the countries that deposits are being made to....It's like the Flintstones are still a model family.

    I could go on for hours about the shady offshore gaming rigs- but I think I've spoken to my point......Onto history: It's not like there haven't been a few sites caught for bending the rules; Party Poker, Paradise Poker, and Ultimate bet all paid damages for stacking high stakes tables with employees playing on virtual bankrolls. I've never played live outside the U.S., but all poker rooms in the states I've played in supply newsletters that are pretty good about reporting scams online.

    On "Bonus" money- yeah- unless you intend to buckle down and do nothing but play poker, it's a scam. Everywhere.

    People who are ahead in online play are going to be really quick to call people morons for questioning the legitimacy of online poker- just like people who are behind are going to be quick to say it's all a scam.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle. (as are my own numbers).

    It's probably a scam. That said- learn to play witin the scam and you'll be fine. Stay away from high stakes games, don't spend what you can't lose, pay attention to any info on the sites you play on, etc. etc.

    To anyone on either side of this debate- Just stick to freerolls if you're that set either way. The best part of online poker is that freerolls alone could fund an account, and you're not investing anything.

    See- I didn't call anyone an idiot.

    By Blogger davey7678, at 4:43 AM  

  • Sit n Go tournaments on Poker Stars and Full Tilt are MOST DEFINITELY rigged to speed up play by favoring big stacks and hurting small stacks. I am no anonymous loser who rebanks, I play to about even on FTP, and only play $3 and $10 sit n go's for fun.

    I say this because I have been on both sides of it, for years now watching this happen. Pointing to one incident or two makes no sense because that means zero. This is an observation over months/years where there is absolutely no question at all that these sites are coded to speed up play by favoring big stacks and hindering short stacks.

    If I were to guess totally off the wall, I would guess there is some algorythm built into these sites where the percentage of receiving favorable hands, flops, rivers, etc., grows progressively greater as stack differential and time pass. For example, a player with a stack 3X the average, might get a 12% chance of automatically receiving the better pockets, flops, river, etc. Whereas if the stack if 5X, it's 20%, etc. Thus, it's not every hand, but the patterns do emerge over time.

    Clever concept by these sites. The reason I don't mind is because I get my fair share of being the big stack and seeing magical flushes and boats happen for me, just like the next big stack.

    I play for fun. If I were to play these sites for serious money, this would matter a lot more to me than it does, but regardless, without question. FTP AND POKER STARS ARE RIGGED in Tourneyes to FAVOR BIG STACKS.

    Anyone denying this is either (a) an idiot, or (b) an online poker protagonist/lobbyist/employee of some sort.

    Enjoy

    By Blogger Wolverine90, at 10:22 PM  

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